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Flats... Nitro seal?

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david dodson
Posted May 15, 2011 12:26 PM
user 14464588
Stevensville, ON
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Saw on the motorino website this magic goo called nitro seal.Anyone using it or know where to buy it in the Niagara region?Seems like a no brainier and cheap!Any other name brands recommended?

Cheers!
Fred
Posted May 16, 2011 5:56 PM
user 4430865
Toronto, ON
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I don't believe you would want to use this on anything other than tubeless tires. I understand the Motorino does have tubeless tires, but many (most?) others don't.
William
Posted May 17, 2011 10:16 PM
Scooteretti
Ottawa, ON
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Actually tire sealants such as Nitro Seal and the material we use really are a plus for us ebikers. At Scooteretti we use a different additive and we have 2 variations. One is used for tubeless tires and the other for tubed tires.

The damaged caused on tube tires typically rips the inner tubes and therefore requires the additive to contain additional reinforcement which is fiber based to seal the inner tubes.

There is a limitation to what the material will do and we have found that if the damage is less than the diameter of a pencil, it does a great job. Larger than that then the material just cannot seal the puncture.

www.scooteretti.com
Fred
Posted May 17, 2011 10:30 PM
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Toronto, ON
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Just wondering what it is you use for tubed tires and how one would get some here in Toronto? Didn't see anything on your web site.
Ben Jamin
Posted May 17, 2011 11:23 PM
Ben_Jamin
Toronto, ON
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from this thread - http://www.ebikerider... :

"Dread getting a flat. Tomorrow I go to Canadian Tire and get either Slime Tire Sealant (typical consumer review:.Date: July 28, 2010
"I've used it on 2 car tires, a boat trailer tire, 3 quad tires, and a camper trailer. Works fabulous! It's been 7 months now in the car tire, and it still isn't leaking!")
or MotoMaster Inflate & Seal Both cost less than 10 bucks, which strikes me as cheap insurance against getting stuck somewhere, or ruining a good tire walking it to the shop.
Here is a link:http://www.canadianti....

Stash a can of this happy shite in your rear compartment, and fear no flats!"

no flats yet - cheers

William
Posted May 18, 2011 8:38 AM
Scooteretti
Ottawa, ON
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We buy our additive in a 5 gallon pails so it's probably cost prohibitive for you to buy. We have tried Slime for tubes and it works OK. Being in TO I would use the Slime for Tube tires as it comes in smaller quantities.

With the Slime material, noticed that there was a slight increase in vibration on the bike we tested as the material has a lower viscosity. But nothing that is annoying and you'll soon forget it's there.

The other brands we tested gave very poor results in our opinion when we punctured the tires purposely with an awl.

Please understand that we won't give the brand name or the fillers we add to the product we use as we see this as a selling advantage that other retails would perhaps just end up copying.

In short put an additive in your bike tires, you won't regret it.
Gregory masseau
Posted May 18, 2011 11:22 PM
bombshelter_13
Toronto, ON
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Please understand that we won't give the brand name or the fillers we add to the product we use as we see this as a selling advantage that other retails would perhaps just end up copying.

Sorry William, but in this day and age that sort of business practice is bullshit and any company that believes it should be boycotted, end of story.

Especially in the vehicle industry - a customer buying ANY vehicle should DEMAND access to full parts fiches and diagrams for the vehicle including any and all required fluids and chemicals - any item that could be required to keep the vehicle in the condition that it's in when the customer first receives it.

This is the case for any and every car, truck, motorcycle, motorscooter AND major-brand bicycle that you can buy - the only vehicles it doesn't seem to apply to are no-name Chinese bicycles, no-name Chinese motorscooters, and, apparently, Scooteretti e-bikes.

Now, I don't know about you, but I'm not sure if I'd wanna be grouped with those guys.

It's pretty simple... people buying vehicles NEED access to information about the parts in their vehicle, or that vehicle is as good as garbage. Fluids, if you put them in before delivery to the customer, are parts.
lOCk
Posted May 19, 2011 12:09 AM
lOCk
Toronto, ON
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Haven't been following this thread but the two things I ended up with to try and avoid flats were thick inner tubes (thicker than "normal") plus the thorn-proof/wattever tire liners. Kevlar, I think they are. Made for "normal" bicycle wheel diameters as continuous loops but I'd just scissor them and double wrap the things around the inside of the tires before the install. Worked for me except for roadside rusty car parts that sliced open the sidewall once.
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Lubo_Mechanic
Posted May 19, 2011 1:07 PM
Lubo_Ebiker
North York, ON
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For me good old patching works just fine. After the last time I was able to use my patched tire for another 6 month even though I have about 30 tubes for 16X3/2.5 wheels at home I've got cheap last year!:-) I did not even have to remove the wheel to patch my rear tube, just opened the tire on one side, pulled the tube out, patched and put that side of the tire back on the rim, that's it! Also some smart cyclist on regular bikes use 2 tubes in one tire when one fails the other just gets pumped up :-) I haven't tried that yet on any of my scooters, but the idea itself is definitely good! :-) The goo from CT on other hand did not work its magic that well, even though it was designed for bicycles too. It just stuck at one place of tube making my ride somewhat pulsing and the tube was still leaking, albeit slower, despite I tried to spin the wheel right after I put the sealant inside to spread it evenly inside the tube. I suspect that for scooter wheel there is not enough centrifugal forces to spread it properly, because the scooter's wheel is smaller then the bicycle one and slower then the car's one or maybe the goo wasn't that good at CT, so if you decide to use goo it's better to use the one that is known to work on e-bikes and is liquid enough to spread evenly inside even at slow motion.
William
Posted Jan 13, 2012 11:43 AM
Scooteretti
Ottawa, ON
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Gregory,

Must have missed this posting. We are sorry you feel that way. However I will defend Scooteretti in saying that every part in our scooters is available in stock in Ottawa and will be available for years to come. We have a huge spare parts inventory here in Ottawa and from selling in this market we know that any of our competitors in this area do not. If a customer has a problem with their Scooteretti and most other brands we fix them right away.

Now for releasing information certain things we have no issues with others ain't gonna happen. Unfortunately your comments about the auto industry are incorrect for the most part. If you look at most part fiches these are the sole property of the company who made them (Ford, Mercedes, Honda and the list goes on). No dealer or manufacturer will ever release all their part fiches to just anyone. This is called intellectual property. If you do see this information publicly available it was probably published illegally or is general information.

Scooteretti has no issues with helping our customers trouble shoot their products but details on things where we have spent $$$$ in testing and developing are what we feel makes us different from the competition. When talking about tire additives no company will ever give your their formula.

When you mention things like fluids this is all information that is included in our manuals and there is no hiding of information, this is public information to help our customers run their products correctly.

I just want to clarify that we value our present and future customers and if you are ever in Ottawa speak to anyone riding our products and visit our shop. I trust that you will change your opinion of us. We support the industry and work hard to promote this technology including spending money, time and resources to allow all e-bikes to use our roads.
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