If the product you use in tires is one that Scooteretti has spent a lot of money developing and R&Ding, then it should have the name brand ''Scooteretti''. And I absolutely agree that you would not want to share what goes in your product. But you say you buy the stuff in 5 gallons drums so I believe you're just buying some brand X and reselling to your customers. I applaud that you went through the trouble of testing some brands to find the one you liked best but I'm sorry, you make this look very complicated to try out a few different products in a tire and puncture to see if it works fine. You found a brand that works well, that's good, now why not share the name of that brand? It's not Scooteretti's brand is it? No one is asking for the recipe, just the brand. If you don't want to share your knowledge with people who can't really travel 700 km to your store just to get that stuff then I'm with Gregory on this.

Raymond,

You are correct. We are not making up our formulation from scratch nor have we ever claimed this. Our market is way too small at this point to spend $$$ on such a project. Indeed we are buying from a key manufacturer their base formula and have tweaked it. The reasons why we even considered tweaking and existing formula was the following:

1- I added an additive to my personal scooter and after a month I did get a flat and the slime did not seal the puncture. Was stuck with a flat. There is nothing more frustrating then getting a flat late in the evening when you're 15-20km's from home! So the search went on to find a better product.

2- Tried additives in my mountain bike. Well small puncture and you guessed it flat tire.

3- Customers who are courier riders who also were not 100% pleased and wanted something better.


So with that we started to do some in house testing to see who had the best product. We purchased several brand X's of additive, set up several test tires (tubed and tubeless) and well, we punctured them manually. We obtained various mixed results. We then played around in different temperatures and once again got different results (we actually did a test by taking some tires and placing them overnight in a commercial storage freezer to simulate winter conditions). There was one brand that performed better than others.

With a background in polymers and several contacts in this industry favors were asked to help out. We had an indication of what the problem was (viscosity). However we know that there is always that give and take, adjust one property and you affect another property. So we tweaked the formula by actually changing 2 properties/additives. We now feel that we have a better product that is better suited for ebikes.

One of the other conclusions (tested at ambient) was that the slower the tire rotated (simulated ebike speeds vs gas powered vehicle speeds) the additives reacted very differently. We noticed that at higher rotation speeds all the additives worked pretty well! We did notice that at 32Km's or less they did not. So it was quite apparent that these additives were not necessarily the best for ebike speeds.

With that data that was the reason why we worked on this project. So our R&D testing and costs were primarily from the following:

1- The purchasing of various currently available products
2- 2 cases of beer for use of the commercial freezer
3- Manufacturing test bed #1
4- Rebuilding test bed #1 as vibration levels were way to high at the higher speeds
4- Lab testing of the better readily available additives
5- Lab testing of the tweaked samples

I would recommend people using Slime, their product seemed to perform better than the other off the shelf additives we tested. It's readily available, cost effective and works pretty well. Only downside we noticed it that is appeared to give higher levels of vibration. Keep in mind that we indeed see better results form all the additives on tubeless tires vs. tubed tires. Tubed tires certainly are more of a challenge for these products. We suspect that tubes are thin, less material surface area and a surface area which is quite smooth and more difficult for the additives to adhere to.

So for us to call this additive Scooteretti's no ,but rather Scooteretti's tweak to an existing additive yes.

Our post was primarily to contribute to this excellent site. There are some great retailers in Canada and sites like this are fantastic as input from riders/owners is good information to help this industry by getting a better understanding of the needs of riders/owners.

Now that you helped me understand a bit about the process you went through to get a product that works for e-scooters, I can understand why you don't want to divulge the secret recipe. So now I ask, can we buy the product from you online? I would like to have an additive to prevent flat tires that work but I won't travel from Guelph to Ottawa to get it.

Thanks

Ray

Ray,

We haven't shipped any additive out yet as it's usually done at our shop. However if you could send us a message through our website with your contact info we'll get back to you right away and figure something out. Also let us know if your scooter has tubeless or tubed tires.

http://www.scooterett...


regards,


William