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How can I carry my 6 year old, 60 lbs son to daycare by ebike on local streets?

Johndxu
Posted May 26, 2011 10:17 AM
johndxu
Toronto, ON
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I plan to take my son to his daycare by ebike. I tried to find a bike trailer but they are all rated under 100 lbs for two children. It looks like too small for my son.

Any idea?
lOCk
Posted May 26, 2011 11:52 AM
lOCk
Toronto, ON
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The Wike XP Bicycle Trailer

http://www.wike.ca/ch...
Total Carrying Capacity - 100lbs
$229

Made in Canada eh?

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Gregory masseau
Posted May 26, 2011 12:17 PM
bombshelter_13
Toronto, ON
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Just so you're aware, carrying a child of under 16 years old on an ebike is illegal.

Bicycle trailers are not legally recognized as a type of vehicle and as a result there's no exception in the law that would allow carrying your child in one.

Better hope you're commuting in an area without many cops.
Johndxu
Posted May 26, 2011 12:42 PM
johndxu
Toronto, ON
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Thanks LOCK,

This one of the trailer I have searched. It has specifications for childen under 5 years old and 100 lbs for two childen. My son is 6.
Lubo_Mechanic
Posted May 26, 2011 12:45 PM
Lubo_Ebiker
North York, ON
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I think it's safer to put him in a front of you if he would fit there and you still have no problem with steering. This way you load wheels more evenly, more load is shared by the front wheel and suspension. You can see him all the time and there's virtually no chance for him to fall off the bike because of your arms around him:-)
I've seen some folks doing that. If the street is not busy and you're moving at safe slower speed around 15kmph or even slower, then it should be OK even for cops, there's not so many of them on backstreets anyways out of my experience, besides most of them will give you a warning before fining. It's not that I encourage you, but if that was me in your shoes, I would definitely try this since I do not have a car and most of the cops understand that.
Johndxu
Posted May 26, 2011 12:49 PM
johndxu
Toronto, ON
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Thanks bombshelter_13,

I read the laws. It seems to me that a child of under 16 years old is illegal RIDE on ebike on HIGHWAY.

Please anyone can clearify what RIDE is meaning hear and what HIGHWAY is meaning here.

Thanks,
lOCk
Posted May 26, 2011 7:38 PM
lOCk
Toronto, ON
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Ontario Highway Traffic Act:
http://www.e-laws.gov...
“highway” includes a common and public highway, street, avenue, parkway, driveway, square, place, bridge, viaduct or trestle, any part of which is intended for or used by the general public for the passage of vehicles and includes the area between the lateral property lines thereof;

Words like "ride" and "passenger" are not defined. For these ya would have to go to common law (precedents set in prior court cases) or to dictionary definitions.

A trailer is a vehicle under the Act:
“vehicle” includes a motor vehicle, trailer, traction engine, farm tractor, road-building machine, bicycle and any vehicle drawn, propelled or driven by any kind of power, including muscular power, but does not include a motorized snow vehicle or a street car;

But the Act only regulates trailers pulled by motor vehicles:
“trailer” means a vehicle that is at any time drawn upon a highway by a motor vehicle, except an implement of husbandry, a mobile home, another motor vehicle or any device or apparatus not designed to transport persons or property, temporarily drawn, propelled or moved upon such highway, and except a side car attached to a motorcycle, and shall be considered a separate vehicle and not part of the motor vehicle by which it is drawn;

... and ebikes are "bicycles", specifically excluded from the definition of "motor vehicle".

It's obvious of course that hundreds or thousands of Ontario kids travel in bike trailers EVery day.

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Gregory masseau
Posted May 26, 2011 11:37 PM
bombshelter_13
Toronto, ON
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Thanks bombshelter_13,

I read the laws. It seems to me that a child of under 16 years old is illegal RIDE on ebike on HIGHWAY.

Please anyone can clearify what RIDE is meaning hear and what HIGHWAY is meaning here.

Thanks,

'highway' in the HTA means any road, street and includes sidewalks. That's from definitions in the HTA.

I think it's fair to say that 'ride' means to be somehow transported by the vehicle, but that's not as strictly defined, to my knowledge.
lOCk
Posted May 26, 2011 11:41 PM
lOCk
Toronto, ON
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It's obvious of course that hundreds or thousands of Ontario kids travel in bike trailers EVery day.

Ben Jamin
Posted May 27, 2011 2:22 AM
Ben_Jamin
Toronto, ON
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So John, pretty clear that e-bike laws are evolving and kids under 16 may or may not
be towed in some sort of trailer, but definitely not on the bike itself.

Your first concern is safety, and then there is the murky gray legal area this falls into. If your need to transport your child to daycare in this fashion trumps your concern about some small-ish fine you might wind up receiving, and you are comfortable with its relative safety, then I would say - go for it.

cheers
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