Toronto Electric Riders Association Message Board › E-bike Laws › Mississauga policies on bike trails
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Hi
I'm thinking of getting an e-scooter next spring and am wondering what Mississauga's policies on e-scooters on bike trails threw park land are. And in particular on the new bike trail being built along the Queens-way as i would be taking it to commute from Mississauga to Toronto for work on occasion. Any input would be appreciated. Thanks Matthew Edited by lOCk on Nov 8, 2011 2:50 AM |
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Hi Matt
Mississauga publishes *some* of its' by-laws here: http://www.mississaug... Including its' Parks By-law 186-5, here: http://www.mississaug... I am GUESSING that Mississauga trails that are not on-road are covered by this by-law. Some excerpts: THE CORPORATION OF THE CITYOF MISSISSAUGA Note the definition in this by-law for bicycle as "...any cycle propelled or driven by muscular power...". Basically the Mississauga Parks by-law has not been updated to agree with the new (2009) definition of "bicycle in the Ontario Highway Traffic Act: http://www.e-laws.gov... “bicycle” includes a tricycle, a unicycle and a power-assisted bicycle but does not include a motor-assisted bicycle; (and, BTW the HTA also specifically excludes power-assisted bicycles from the definition of motor vehicle): “motor vehicle” includes an automobile, a motorcycle, a motor-assisted bicycle unless otherwise indicated in this Act, and any other vehicle propelled or driven otherwise than by muscular power, but does not include a street car or other motor vehicle running only upon rails, a power-assisted bicycle, a motorized snow vehicle, a traction engine, a farm tractor, a self-propelled implement of husbandry or a road-building machine; It would appear that a power-assisted bicycle ("ebike") would conform to the existing by-law definition of bicycle if the rider was pedaling and not using the motor. The definition for “motorized recreational vehicle” is interesting... It appears to limit itself to gas powered vehicles, and the examples given are all for off-road vehicles not permitted on Ontario roads. City of Toronto Parks staff are trying to use a similar definition in the Toronto Parks by-law to ban ebikes from Toronto parks... The Toronto by-law definition does not restrict itself to gas-only: MOTORIZED RECREATIONAL VEHICLE — A snowmobile, go-cart, trail bike, mini bike, all-terrain vehicle, or similar vehicle, whatever the mode of power, but does not include a scooter. In Mississauga, because your definition for "motorized recreational vehicle" says gas only, City staff cannot use this ploy as easily (they still might try)... More stuff from the Mississauga Parks by-law: 2) As part of his responsibility to administer this By-law, the Commissioner may: Basically, the Commissioner (City staff) can make up any rules they like without needing to amend the by-law... PART V: HOURS Wow... Any woodland areas still left in Mississauga? If City trails cut through any, looks like these days you can't use park trails after 5pm (sundown time, yesterday.) Guessing they don't enforce this much... General Conduct "...any other form of motorized conveyances..." That's pretty broad. Seems pretty clear. PART IX: VEHICLES Again, this means the by-law defined "bicycle" and not the bicycle as defined in the HTA... Speed In Toronto, the max speed limit in the parks is only 20kmh, but parks staff like to put up 30kmh signs for their own convenience... continues... |
| lOCk | |
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PART X: ENFORCEMENT Can't argue with The Man. EVen if they only *think* you are contravening some by-law... 46. Every person who contravenes any provision of this By-law is guilty of an offence and is liable to a fine and any other penalties imposed pursuant to the Provincial Offences Act, R.S.O. 1990, c. P-33, as amended. Ontario Provincial Offences Act R.S.O. 1990, CHAPTER P.33, here: http://www.e-laws.gov... General penalty Seen here: http://www.mississaug... 2. I have been charged with a municipal by-law infraction and I would like more information about what this means. The City of Toronto publishes a list of Toronto by-law infractions for on the roads and in the parks that may or may not be accurate or complete, but perhaps gives some idea what fines in Mississauga might be like: http://www.toronto.ca... In April, 2010 one person was spreading a rumour, seen here: http://www.ebikerider... Allan Harder This person Allan Harder is on the Mississauga Cycling Advisory Committee, here: http://www.mississaug... As far as I can tell Mississauga has yet to amend their by-law or set any weight limit... From the Cycling Advisory Committee meeting minutes for August 9, 2011 http://www.mississaug... 8. Right-of-way on the Trail System It appears that almost a year and a half later, Allan Harder and gang are still "discussing" ebikes... So what are you up to this EVening? Seen here: http://www.mississaug... AGENDA You might drop by and explain to these folks that trying to set some weight restriction for ebikes is silly? Are they going to ban cargo bikes and bikes with trailers and tandem bikes as all "too heavy" also? Will they be setting up weigh stations to weigh each suspected vehicle? It isn't the weight of the vehicle that is dangerous, but the speed and the behaviour of the rider. If they are so concerned about vehicle safety on their bike trails they would be recommending lowering the max speed to 20kmh. Banning ebikes based on fear and ignorance using abitrary limits not based on any study (or common sense) would be a travesty. So these well meaning but misguided folks will be meeting tonight perhaps to decide how to limit your freedom and choices in the future. It's pretty much up to Mississauga ebikers to stop this from happening. Ebikes should have the same rights and responsibilities as pedal-only bikes. EVerywhere. Cheers Lock Edited by lOCk on Nov 8, 2011 4:19 AM |
| Matt | |
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loCk,
Thankyou so much for the information you found. The info youve provided is very in depth and right to date and i appreciate the reasearch. Even if i couldnt ride on park trails i would still probably decide to get an e scooter in the spring. I took one for a boot at the well know local mississauga dealer on the Queensway. With one squeeze of the throttle i took a quick blast up to the top of the block and back again. It was alot of fun and the price is right to. This web site has been really informative in answering many questions ive had about the scooters. In the last summer ive seen many many more on the roads in Mississauga. The first one i saw i was like wth, that must be electric its so quiet. Thanks again for the info, much appreciated. Matt |
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| lOCk | |
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Yer welcome Matt
You're right they are a lot of fun. ![]() But do us a favour? Stop calling them "scooters"? If you are refering to a street-legal "power-assisted bicycle" that looks like a scooter, just call it an "ebike" or "bike" or "scooter-style ebike"? And you need to write your local representative on Mississauga City Council: http://www.mississaug... Your City Councillor will be hearing some dumb/negative stuff about ebikes from their Cycling Committee and they need to hear more positive stuff from other folks. Otherwise, you lose and we all lose. Lock |
| Arrow201 | |
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This seems similar to Brampton's bylaw, which i find very vague unless someone has a better links than i do, or experiences. I couldn't find the 2009 MOT about ebikes or anything about eBikes on the Brampton website. I found this: http://www.brampton.c... ...very outdated. I have an open frame ebike on order which meets the MOT classification of an ebike and still trying to figure out if the park police will stop me ...thanks |
| lOCk | |
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...very outdated.That's amazing! ![]() No definition for the word "bicycle" even... Thing is, ya can forget about the Ontario Highway Traffic Act `cause yer talking about private property and not Ontario highways... The City can make up its own rules for parklands... UNLESS the by-law refers to HTA definitions. Which this one does not, except to refer to the Off-Road Vehicles Act. NEVer seen anything like this before! (12) No person owning or operating a bicycle shall allow such bicycle to exceed a speed of 8 kilometres per hour (5 miles per hour) within the parkland. At places of frequent pedestrian usage, all cyclists are required to dismount and walk their bicycles for public safety. While "bicycle" is not defined, guess yer worried about this bit: "vehicle” means any motorized vehicle or conveyance including trucks, automobiles, trailers, buses, motorcycles and snowmobiles; ...and yeah, ebikes are clearly "motorized vehicles". Just not MOTOR VEHICLES as defined by the HTA that governs street traffic outside of parklands and private property... So yeah, some civil servant could use this by-law to ban and restrict ebikes in Brampton parks. If they do it will be because of complaints from park users about fears both real and imagined (mostly imagined.) One of these things that hasn't been tested in the courts, but because this by-law does NOT include a definition for the word "bicycle" a judge wouldn't have to look too far to find the definition for "bicycle" in the HTA specifically includes power-assist bicycles (and ebikes are specifically EXCLUDED from the HTA def of "motor vehicle".) There's a good chance someone misbehaving on an ebike will screw things up for EVerybuddy else on ebikes in Brampton parks one of these daze... Lock |
| Allan Harmsworth | |
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I am not sure where you dug up that old bone, try this one, it is more current.
http://www.brampton.c... It defines bicycles, power-assisted bicycles, and e-bikes. Ebikes are specifically prohibited from multi-use trails in Brampton. By-law 93-93, chapter 11 (5): No person shall operate a motor assisted bicycle or e-bike upon any An interesting side note in section (1) is that you have to keep your feet on the pedals at all times. Fines for riding your ebike on a trail is $55. http://www.brampton.c... Edited by Allan Harmsworth on Feb 28, 2012 9:16 AM |
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| Arrow201 | |
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Ahhhhh, thanks Allen, you're much better at finding info than i am. Well,
that sucks re:park paths ,maybe some ebiker messed things up already for the rest of us in Brampton. What i don't like is that if i pedal with the power assist off, it still reads of being prohibited which should not be IMHO. The bike i ordered is a 7 speed open frame bike that is easily capable of being a pedal only bike for trails... ...argh Edited by Arrow201 on Feb 28, 2012 10:34 AM |
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Looks like this ban in Brampton was only brought in late last year...
Staff report from July, 2011: http://www.brampton.c... Report to Brampton City Council City Council meeting, August 10: http://www.brampton.c... The following motion was considered: It's buried in the July report... where multi-use pathways are first added to their Traffic By-law 93-93, and ebikes excluded... Brampton ebikers have a problem, and his name is Brian Johnson... http://www.brampton.c... Minutes |