Yeah!! that is good news. I guess they still need to have a clause, but I can't see that individual cities are going to ban e-bikes. I guess they may get sticky on multi-use paths or something, but hopefully not!! I wonder how much my bike weighs? I can just see the cops having portable scales to make us ride over!! a

I think you said you had a Daymak Austin. If it is. It's under 120KG with the battery. I doubt they would use portable scales, lol, that would be offensive to some people.

I wonder how much my bike weighs? I can just see the cops having portable scales to make us ride over!! a

Hehe.. Nothing in the legislation that precludes adding a trailer full of batteries...
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LOc

BTW... did everyone read the ebike definition in the ebike FAQ here:
http://www.mto.gov.on...

Definition of an Electric Bicycle ("e-bike")
1. What is a power-assisted bicycle (“e-bike”)?
For use in the Province of Ontario, a power-assisted bicycle, or e-bike, is a bicycle that:

Has a maximum weight of 120 kg (includes the weight of bike and battery);
Has wheels with a diameter of at least 350 mm and width of at least 35 mm; and
Meets the federal definition of a power-assisted bicycle:
has steering handlebars and is equipped with pedals,
is designed to travel on not more than three wheels in contact with the ground,
is capable of being propelled by muscular power,
has one or more electric motors that have, singly or in combination, the following characteristics:
it has a total continuous power output rating, measured at the shaft of each motor, of 500 W or less,
if it is engaged by the use of muscular power, power assistance immediately ceases when the muscular power ceases,
if it is engaged by the use of an accelerator controller, power assistance immediately ceases when the brakes are applied, and
it is incapable of providing further assistance when the bicycle attains a speed of 32 km/h on level ground,
bears a label that is permanently affixed by the manufacturer and appears in a conspicuous location stating, in both official languages, that the vehicle is a power-assisted bicycle as defined federally, and
has one of the following safety features,
an enabling mechanism to turn the electric motor on and off that is separate from the accelerator controller and fitted in such a manner that it is operable by the driver, OR
a mechanism that prevents the motor from being engaged before the bicycle attains 3 km/hr.



Wow... 120kg is about 264lbs... Kinda pity anyone having to lug something like that around. No wonder ppl see some ebikers riding down the sidewalks. The vehicle is probably too heavy for the rider to lift over the curb to get to the bike rack/whatever!
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lLocck

I'm sure they know the scooters are mostly power on demand. I've peddled mine before. For fun mind you. I went a whole 5KM/ph. On a bike path :-). That being said the definition is really confusing. If anyone here rides ANY ebike on the sidewalk please don't. I feel that they're too fast if you need to make an emergency stop. Keep in mind that I ride the scooter style myself. Anytime I've gone on the sidewalk I just walk the bike. Usually just trying to get out of the way of a TTC bus.

As for weight, I checked Daymak, Blue Avenue, and Mobility Unlimited, the average weight for the scooter style is about 90kg with the battery installed.

Loc, I like your battery trailer idea. :-) BTW, I can't remember if we ever talked on EndlessSphere but I'm Computerdude.

Mine is the Motorino Xpv, and just checked the specs and it is also 90kgs, whew! 90kgs feels pretty heavy, I wonder which models are 120kgs!! I guess they were giving some wiggle room for the scooters to get bigger. I remember when I was looking around, there was one called the Mountaineer (can't remember the brand) but it was almost as big as a full size motorcycle! I bet it was 120kgs at least.

anyway, glad to have it all settled!! a

The moutainer is 102kg :-) And it's sold by Blue Avenue.

Well my Condor is from Mobility Unlimited and it's net weight with batteries is 86KG (189lbs), so I am fine for the weight restriction. But I usually carry about 30lbs of tools in my trunk. And also a few pounds of stuff under my seat and a 12V 3A auxiliary battery in my glove compartment. If all this extra stuff make the Condor over 120KG does that mean my E-Bike is no longer considered and E-Bike but a LSM? I hope it does not!

Ken Finch

This is excellent news.

I dount they meant 120KG includes cargo you are carrying.

Well my Condor is from Mobility Unlimited and it's net weight with batteries is 86KG (189lbs), so I am fine for the weight restriction. But I usually carry about 30lbs of tools in my trunk. And also a few pounds of stuff under my seat and a 12V 3A auxiliary battery in my glove compartment. If all this extra stuff make the Condor over 120KG does that mean my E-Bike is no longer considered and E-Bike but a LSM? I hope it does not!

Ken Finch

I'm sure it's fine Ken. But if it wasn't, Loc had a very good point. There's nothing in the rules saying no trailers.

They've essentially legalized all the e-bikes. 120 kg is probably more than any of them weigh. I also think its reasonable to allow municipalities to set rules. I ride my bike on the roads and bike lanes, but never on bicycle paths in parks. I just don't think that a scooter style bike belongs on those paths. They're dangerous enough for cyclists and roller-bladers as it is with the mix of traffic and pedestrians crossing without looking. I have no desire to hit someone at top speed in my e-bike. I nearly did that on a street last week when an idiot closed the trunk of his car and walked right in front of me on his way to the driver's door. Luckily I had slowed down when I saw him and my brakes were good enough to stop me. If I hadn't slowed down, he'd have been squashed.

I wonder about people using the pedals. I can't even comfortably reach the pedals on my bike because of where they're positioned. Too bad that the rules don't let us remove them. They're just a hazard because they stick out too far from the side of the bike.