Just had to check in with the Gio auctions again... from today:


...ten vehicles sold in 8hrs 45mins... at this rate 10,011 in one year. One "real" 500W ebike at $532 plus shipping and HST, the rest 350W averaging $262 each plus shipping and HST. Nine different active buyers.

tks
loCk

Maybe you can figure it that way.

`Kay, so same size pack as the Gio at 48V 20Ah but LiFePo4... Ya use 48x20=960Wh but don't forget to "derate" to useable Ah... You say only 16-17 and I agree w/you this is a fair trade for long life, but lets stay with 17Ah at 48V so 816Wh... which you say is good for 55-60km... Say 55km so that'd be 14.84Wh/km...

And this is for your scooter-style ebike, with no pedaling? Not too shabby! Do your regular travels have many stop and goes and hills? How many times have you cycled your batt pack so far?

The Gio with a 48V x 20Ah pack at say 80% useable so 768Wh if it ran at 14.84Wh/km would have a range of 51.75km... I'm still gonna guess that your kms are mostly exurbia with lots of non-stopping...

loCk

Yes it was my scooter style bike. I could try pedaling but it would look ridiculous, lol. I did my range tests for this scooter on a fairly flat stretch of road. Between Wilson Ave and Oakdale Rd (Where Daymak is located, lol). I lived in that area at the time. It took me close to 3 hours to run the battery down. This is where the 60KM figure came from.

I did ride it from home to work and back a few times without charging. That was a total of about 42KM. This was up and down Royal York Rd from Weston Rd to the Queensways. There are hills and you have to stop behind TTC buses often. But it still felt like I had a lot of power left. Nice thing about lithium no power sags.

I'm not sure how many cycles I've put on the pack. I got it at the end of last August. I've only let it get fully depleted 4 or 5 times. Usually it only takes 2 hours to charge unless it's fully depleted then it takes 4 hours. I have a 5A charger. I've seen 8A chargers for LifePO4 but they look like monsters. They're huge.

Here's the stretch of road I used for range testing at the time:

http://maps.google.ca...

-Vic

Just had to check in with the Gio auctions again... from today:
...ten vehicles sold in 8hrs 45mins... at this rate 10,011 in one year. One "real" 500W ebike at $532 plus shipping and HST, the rest 350W averaging $262 each plus shipping and HST. Nine different active buyers.
tks

With Daymak closing two locations and comment that maybe ebike sales volumes haven't been as high as expected, thought I'd update the "Gio Index"... Can't say this is representative of the industry as a whole of course, but from yesterday:

18 vehicles sold in 21hrs 45mins... at this rate 10,585 in one year. Two "real" 500W ebikes at $522.50 average, the other sixteen 350W averaging $256.13 each. Eighteen different buyer names...

tks
lOcK

$400 EBIKES! Yours today for only $700!
http://windsor.kijiji...

I wouldn't go for a 350W motor even for free :) If it makes sense to get them, that would be just only for batteries :)

Another ad posted yesterday "Electric scooter– $650"
http://www.buysell.co...

Not a lot of info in this ad... but the phone number ties back to Gio auction buyer "Ashaley" from Sinclair's Motorsports in Surrey, BC. (while yesterdaze buysell.com ad was posted as a Windsor, ON ad):
http://sr.buysell.com...

Interesting that Sinclair/Ashaley have now dropped all references to the Gio name. In the buysell ad the maker is now listed only as Luyuan while on the Sinclair site the "500W" Gios are described as "HD" and only the "800W" Gios are described as "Layuan"...

Yesterdaze ad also describes the vehicle as "used" so presumably the $650 price now includes HST

Sorry guys but i did buy a GIO 2 months ago and I love the thing.........NO PROBLEMS at all with it and i have spent a great deal of time comparing it against other Ebike brands in the $790-$1100 range and there are no differences, except this one is $400 less.

I purchased another one for a friend just last night and I am buying a second one for myself come January.

You cant beat the price. The ONLY negative I would suggest about this bike is that if you are a bigger person, 200 pounds + you are going to have a bit of a problem going up hills.

I who am of average weight can get up the Poplar Plains Road hill on mine but my X Hubby who is a big guy can get up it but the last part of it he does have to sort of push it a bit with his feet.
For him, hes really better with the 800w Gio and I think we will buy one come January.

But living in an apartment, the smaller Gio is easy to get in the elevator and into the apartment.
The bigger one, I have seen and i am not sure it will fit. I would likely have to take out a parking spot for it in the garage.

In any event?
I think this bike has a bad rap........I was very nervous buying it but thought at worst I was throwing away only $630 which is what it cost me to my door in Toronto 2 months ago.

Cant beat it.......


It gets me everywhere i need to go and i havent had any problems with it.

Another rip off artist:
http://toronto.en.cra...

Electric Scooter 500 watts EBIKE - $1000 (Winston Churchill Blvd/Dundas)
Date: 2010-10-18, 10:16PM EDT
Reply to: sale-cuhs3-2013515727@craigslist.org
A 800 watts black scooter . Lots of power to get you up hills . These are heavy duty scooters that have the feel and strength of a gas scooter but are electric . These scooters are classified as ebikes in Canada and are road legal requiring NO INSURANCE or LICENCE. Rider must be 16 years old and wearing a helmet. The scooter goes maximum of 32 km/h for a distance of approx 40-60 km. All scooter have electronic activated motion alarm system , rear locking tire with key , Rear truck , u bike lock , sounding signal system , removable pedals .. Perfect for Student on campus , rv's , local commutes etc.

The 800 watt model is a lot more powerful then a 500 watt model and comes with Cruise control and wireless activated security system FOB for $1000.00 retails for $2200.00.

DON'T WASTE YOUR TIME WITH SILLY OFFERS > THESE ARE NEW SCOOTERS AT A MORE THEN REASONABLE PRICE !

Location: Winston Churchill Blvd/Dundas

"...for $1000.00 retails for $2200.00"
blatant lie

lock

Another new seller in the Gio game... domain name resistered October 19, 2010:
http://www.e-bikecana...

from their home page:

500watt e-bike
E-bike is classified as an electric bicycle (since pedals can be used) but the pedals do not need to be installed and this allows it to operate like an electric moped motorcycle but you do not need to register it or carry a drivers license to operat it.

I wonder where they are getting their legal advice?

Right now, you can buy a $400 350W Gio from them for only $600! From their web site

This bikes retails for over $1099.99.

Watt a deal!

Also these must be special Gios... new, improved!

Engine is powered by 4 large high power batteries that will last for over 3 years or around 500 recharge times. Scooter can also travel up to 60kms on a single charge.

locK

very interesting thread but how much do these bikes really go for in the shops?