There is a new Motorino dealership in Markham. The store is called Station Ski & Ride. The address is 227 Main St. North.
I bought an XPR last year and love it! I rip around Markham all the time and go downtown on it. It looks like they have a large selection of models available in stock.

Hiya Mark!

...must say, seems like you are getting astounding performance from your Motorino XPR!

Had a look at the specs and gotta say I find them a bit confusing?

From here:
http://www.motorino.c...

Dimensions & Weight
without battery: 68kg
with battery:90kg
Loading capacity: 120kg

Power System
500W 48V oversized high torqueCCT brushless regenerative motor
Motor consumption: 1000W/H per 100km
Motor Controller: CPU controlled,CCT regenerative, programmable
Battery - 48V 20AH SLAVR and 48V/14AH*
Battery capacity: 1056Wh/1768Wh*

Performance
50-60 kmto 90km* range based on flat and 75kg load

"SLAVR" I'll guess means "Sealed Lead Acid Valve Regulated" batteries... more or less the usual 12V SLAs common to most ebikes?

And how does Motorino translate a 48V 20Ah pack to 1056Wh? (The standard conversion is just to multiply V x Ah so 48V x 20Ah yields only 960Wh, not 1056?)

Gotta say, EVen allowing for regen 10Wh/km sounds a bit optimistic, but if true, and if the pack capacity really is 1768Wh them wouldn't the maximum range be 176km and not 90km?

`Course ya should never run those SLA's down below 20% so the effective pack size would only be (48V x 20Ah x 80%) 768Wh or adding the optional extra 14Ah pack about 1305Wh...

Then ya have to de-rate the Ah ratings for those SLA batteries again `cause the 20Ah and 14Ah nominal ratings assume discharge over 20 hours, correct? Yer usually discharging the pack over just 2-3 hours?

...so that 768Wh or 1305Wh shrinks further to maybe only 650Wh or 1050Wh approx?

I have to figure you DO have that extra 14Ah pack for the full approx 1050Wh effective capacity, but Markham to downtown (Toronto, right?) can be about 35km one way... and I know on my trips north from downtown that my Wh/km doubles just to climb the 400ft vertical climb from the Lake to Downsview...

So, d'you get to plug in for a few hours on a trip downtown, or do you make the whole round trip with no recharge `til ya get home? Do you pedal the XPR all the time? Which brand of battery does Motorino supply with their vehicles?

Cheers
Lock

Just saw your post. Yeah the performance is good. But I'm not talking driving to downtown Toronto from Markham, that would be a stretch with a single battery set. Going down would be OK but coming back all the way back might be a problem. Maybe I should try. But I have used the bike downtown and it performs well in city and around the downtown area where I went. No i don't pedal the bike and the battery is the one that came with it. What bike do you have?

Mark

Hi Mark...
I picked a Currie-built Phat Flyer about ten years ago... one of these:


...a tiny thing. Weighs only about 27kg and the packs are only 240Wh (24V x 10Ah) Gives an effective range of anywhere from 10 to 20km depending on hypermiling/kicking/coasting versus showing off and having fun. It was intended as my low-cost education in electrics (motors and controllers and chargers etc) as my real interest is eVessels rather than eVehicles (eboats not ebikes.) But I'd only had the scoot a week before I was informed that my little 400W scooter was illegal, and this set me off on this whole ebike path.

Guess you don't know how Motorino comes up with some of those specs but ya might agree they seem a little inconsistent!

...so, how many times d'you figure you have plugged in your XPR so far since the pack was new, and watt is your average depth of discharge? (Trying to guess how well-worn your pack is at this point!) Put another way, watt is the Amp rating for your charger, and how long does it usually take to recharge the pack?

I'm interested in your Motorino cause Greenwit claims some advanced tech for their controllers... I have no idea how their "Dynatech™ Torque converter" might work but for their controllers they claim:

... Rather than increasing current to maintain ideal groundspeed, the CCT can simply shift gears to operate at a lower ideal groundspeed by energizing different sequences of stator windings at different frequencies. The same current continues to flow into the motor but it is sent to energize fewer windings for longer intervals, increasing torque.

This *sounds* sorta like Wye-Delta switching but I'll have to ask the ebike nerds to translate all the technobabble...


Lock

MOT Regs: Must have wheels with a minimum diameter and width of 350 mm and 35 mm respectively.

HAHA! Good catch Joshua... There's a catch though. Ya have to run over an officers feet (both feet) several times before they will charge you with this offense.


Speaking of catches... here's another:
http://www.e-laws.gov...

...every motor-assisted bicycle and bicycle... shall carry a lighted lamp displaying a white or amber light on its front and a lighted lamp displaying a red light or a reflector approved by the Ministry on its rear, and in addition white reflective material shall be placed on its front forks, and red reflective material covering a surface of not less than 250 millimetres in length and 25 millimetres in width shall be place on its rear.

AFAIK just about ALL bicycles that I see (including power-assisted) are illegal if ya look for the reflective bits...
l0cK

MOT Regs: Must have wheels with a minimum diameter and width of 350 mm and 35 mm respectively.

I would expect one could interpret that the "wheel" plus tire needs to be 350mm? If not, there are an awful lot of e-scooters out there and being sold here in Ontario with 10 inch (254 mm) "wheels".

The government has no studies to back up their restriction on wheel sizes of course. I see plenty of fold up pedal bikes every day that have small diameter wheels, so there doesn't seem to be any basis for this restriction from a safety perspective. Wouldn't a minimum wheel size requirement be struck down as irrational if challenged? I am only used to riding 12.5" diameter wheels myself, and the ONLY issues I've had with them are that it's hard to get quality tires in this size, plus I am pretty sure they consume more Wh/km pushing through snow and slush...

Kinda wondering if 254mm might be a misprint... that's only 10 inches!
Lock

Yah, watt Fred Said

...also, the minimum wheel size is purely an MTO invention and there is no such restriction in the Federal power-assist definition. MTO (and City bureaucrats) likes to make stuff up based only on fear and ignorance.
Lock

Just googling around, but it appears many gas scooters being sold have wheels that are only 12"

Ah the good ole days when the OPP raided e-bike and e-scooter stores in Ontario and used sledge hammers and axes to smash every e-bike and e-scooter because they didn't meet the HTA Definition.

...hehe... and Canada Customs EVer vigilant at turning away these dangerous machines at the border...

Ypedal just imported an A2B Metro (legal power-assist ebike) into Canada and it was obvious the carton had been opened somewhere en route...

...which is interesting `cause things like the HTA et al only regulate vehicles on the public roads. Nothing to say ya can't own and operate on private property. My Currie scoots are perfectly legal in Ontario with helmet and insurance, anywhere that is not a public road or sidewalk.

Still waiting for Canada to "synch" with the USA and remove less than one HP from the definition of "motorized vehicle"...

Lock